They both feature dual-crown technology, and of course, a lower center of gravity for higher launch, and lower spin. Reshafting These services usually take 5 to 7 days, as we have to order Of course, its completely fine for you to voice your opinion, but you should not be critizing others product decisions. Our staff of skilled club fitters and club builders are passionate about providing the highest level of customer service. Odyssey Putters; Clearance Golf Clubs Up to $180 Off TaylorMade Stealth Golf Clubs; PING G425 Golf Clubs; Shop All PING Golf Clubs; Super Game Further, if the same tip diameter shaft (likely .335) is used for both, the shim that wouldve been used for the Burner would not effect the performance in any way. Can you point me in the right direction? Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. But not the component club heads. Counterfeits or a Copy, are much harder to tell and that is why the Golf manufacturers are in fact going after these factories. Im sorry but some of your facts are wrong. I understand the average iron costs less than $10 to make thats head shaft and grip. I wonder why? Secondly, please read Roy Nixs article from the AGCP Whos cloning who. I am very happy with them but often wonder if I spent double on brand names would it be worth it- they would have to be heaps better ! THIS IS A FACT. Golf Galaxy Certified Club Technicians use After all, there is no way on this green earth that a clone with an assembled price of less than $100 ($59 head only) could outperform a club from a popular golf company with an initial price tag of $300 right? Learn more about Roger. Its not the arrows, its the Indian guys. For the clone model we tested a Heated H, which wed classify as a mid-teir clone of TaylorMades once popular driver. Even with a $2700 bag of Pings latest game improvement sticks. If I understand the anti clone side I should pay $200 for a TM fairway wood with a slot design stolen from Adams, with a Carpenter steel face, developed by Golfsmith many years ago, using a de-contented Graffalloy or other major company shaft, painted exactly like the real component, because golf is a game of integrity! Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations. Actually liked the longer length distance gapping in those but could not dial in shorter length club distancegapping. .every year get fever,and build a new set of irons,..its a lot of joy, looking at sites,picking the pieces, then having them built just for me. The clone guys will tell you that the name brand stuff is overpriced and doesnt perform any better than the OEM stuff they were designed to look like. Bottom Line: For some folks a clone will dodepends on what kind of player they are -or want to become.Ive used a Pinemeadow clone putter and holed just as many shots as I have with an Odyssey White Hot Two Ballmethinks the main problem with clones might be psychological as one wonders how much better the real thing isand of course clones have zero resale value if that becomes an issue later on down the road. It has become rampant and that is why ACUSHNET (TITLEIST/COBRAS), ADAMS, CALLAWAY, CLEVELAND, PING, and TAYLORMADE are part of and formed the U.S. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. On the Heated its more noticeable, and perhaps even distracting. I recently purchased, and have been hitting a fitted set of Ping G30 irons. Factory heads seldom are more than 1-2 grams off specification. Are there clones that are made with poor qualityYES. Thanks for the help. He played 6 over par and was so accurate to the green and on the green. Always has been and always will be. Why? They specialize. At a distance it looks pretty sharp. Copyright 2023. WebThe biggest factor in making sure the woods perform correctly when made all at the same length as each other is the head weight. Many OEM designs came from the product offerings of these companies. Hireko is also an authorized reseller of First off you might be surprised to know that in the computer industry the clone market was hugeand believe it or not names like Compaq, Dell and Gateway all started as clone computer companies. Although new legislation is going to clarify this further. If golfers were in the world of buying by results club sales would shrink to almost zero. There is a difference between Branded Merchandise and Clones, and that is largely quality control. 1757 Golf Club | 45120 Waxpool Road Dulles, VA 20166 | 703.444.0901. For example, a comparison between the ACER XF Leggera and TM Burner 2.0. Too bad the comparison wasnt between those brands and TaylorMade rather than a head that was a copy of TaylorMade. Copyright 2023 1757 Golf Club All Rights Reserved. A boyish 25-year-old Californian, he has been selling golf clubs since he was 15. That is a ridiculous statement to make thatthe component industry has more firsts then the Majors!! The Heated, however, wellas much as I would love to tell you that it offers similar feel, I cant. As a mechanic, Ive been building my own clubs for the past 26 years, and yes I have quite an inventory. From what I understand, Bang Golf doesnt make clones nor knock-offs. Her irons are Acer HT, likes them also. He is a Callaway Master Fitter and serves on the National Board of Callaway Fitters. How many of them are the clubs the least of their problems? While the TaylorMade Burner is a true glossy black, the Heated has what Id call a medium gloss gray. So if the name-brand companies are fine with it, why would anyone, that decides to save money on purchasing similar product, be doing the wrong thing? Thank you for the update. Strong lofts with forgiving mishits and incredible feel. Don't know if one is better than the other, both are good . Test Taylormade drivers against a couple of the top tier non-OEM companies like Bang and Ill be interested in the results. They are extremely popular for a reason. I didnt get an extra 10 yards and I wasnt dramatically more accurate. TaylorMade gets credit for the original design. There have been recent factories busted in China. Both with graphite shafts, about $200 for the Giga Golf set, $800+ for the Pings. Square headed drivers made from wood in the 1800s. As far as irons are concerned, as long as the material used is of a certain quality Ive come to the conclusion that stamped metal is stamped metal. Sorry bub. I might be having a slight case of buyers remorse but Ill get over it since both sets are fine clubs. While not a tremendous amount in raw form, from a percentage standpoint it works out to an increase of 15.7%, which when youre trying to keep a ball in the short grass, probably is a significant amount, and helps to explain the difference in accuracy between the clubs. Clothing manufacturers have been battling this issue for many years. I'm happy with it. Eliminating the human factor suggests we can hit a golf ball off the tee with precise consistency if we use the same club. So, I could care less about design copy as I am the quality that goes into a club. Oh and I like their hybrid and fairway wood models. But based on my experience, clubs dont really effect your score too much. I like the test, but IMO for more accuracy the shafts need to be tested with the club. Before posting this article I re-confirmed with 3 foundries that they do indeed make them for both markets still. While laser technology can scan the outside, they do not scan the inside. Whats the harm in buying a Knock-Off/Clone? Bigger golf companies have more money to spend on the details, and while ultimately those details many not directly impact performance, I can tell you with certainty that given two clubs with similar performance attributes, the prettier one will always sell bettereven if its more expensive. From affordable golf clubs for those on a budget, mint golf clubs, and many used golf clubs with light cosmetic wear. https://www.hirekogolf.com/golf-components/clubheads/golf-irons/acer-xv-pro-iron-clubhead.html. Cant find a reference when I Google it. who would do that ? A counterfeit is a club design that purposely attempts to deceive you into believing it is the real thing. Because MyGolfSpy Labs doesnt put a score on things, rather than have our testers fill out our surveys, we simply had a discussion about the subjective aspects of our two drivers. Iron Set for Men (5,6,7,8,9,PW,AW,SW) Right Handed with Regular Flex Steel Shaft, WHI-711, Set 9 pcs(4,5,6,7,8,9,PW,GW,SW) or Individual, Iron 7 for Men Right Handed Golfers -(Flex- Regular), Kids Golf Set with Glove, Balls, Tees, and Towel, Golf Season is Here. I met him in person at an Lpga event in Atlantic city (he is the caddie/boyfriend of Sara Brown. I know Maltby designs their clubs but does Hireko design theirs? Tom Wishon, he himself a club designer who has his stuff made in the Far East, backs up MGSs facts. One of the quotes from your comment is absolutely wrong. I know of at least 2 touring pro who wanted to be sponsored by KZG and use their clubs. This is a topic Im always interested in. Where are you going to get something for that? But there really is no best answer its all subjective. How about paint quality? Training Aids, GPS Devices, Apps, Accessories & More! By utilizing the same shaft (cut to the same length) in each driver, weve come as close to an apples to apples comparison as we possibly can. Wish they had a 58*, but it's just 52/56/60 in that product. GOOGLE Counterfeit Golf Clubs and take a look at how rampant it is. There just simply is not the time or money right now to go after them. I have purchased components from Golfsmith, Golfworks, Hireko and Diamond Tour Golf to name a few. No need to point that out and recommend starting a new thread for those who insist on making that there lifes mission. Clones come from the most of the same Chinese factories that produce Counterfeit clubs. So bottom line dont leave this subject here Golf Spy please do a test of clone irons! I cant say Ive chased the next new thing, only last year did I move the a 460 driver, of course I had to build three. These companies and others (Alpha, GeekGolf, KZG, etc) have very high quality, custom designed components that are just as good and in many cases better than the name brand manufactures. Make yourself aware. Just to finish it off, I also have DTGs S2 Pro 3h and 4h and Inazone CNC Shadow wedges. Not so much. China cannot enforce without participation of the Patented/Trademark holder. I now own a complete set of the GigaGolf forged cavity backs along with a set of Giga woods and play to a legit 7 handicap. My point? Very generally speaking, the slower the swing speed, the more spin (and higher launch) becomesdesirable. Hireko stuff is reasonable, and priced quite well. No wonder the golfing consumer doesnt take the component head biz seriously.when I read this type of stuff..I am bewildered. These shafts do perform differently from one another. Component Golf Clubs: Such as, INFINITI, SMT, NAKASHIMA, and KZG, are original designs and are legitimate and ARE NOT part of any reference. Reshafing- We can reshaft most golf clubs with just about all major brands in graphite and steel shafts. Of course the currently have their hands and funds fully committed going after Counterfeit Clubs. . In 1992 he designed the first interchangeable shaft driver head as well. WebThe suggested mens length for the Pinhawk Vertex is 38" (for the 3, 4 and 5 irons) and 36.5", which are a typical 5 and 8 iron lengths respectively. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I trust GolfWorks regarding their club head model designs/quality and spec tolerances. No bubble but the Taylor colors. But with confusingly or substantially similar knockoffs, the line between legality and patent or trademark infringement is often fuzzy and is subject to legal challenge and interpretation. There are several hundred factories. We carry a full line of product offerings, from best value starter and junior I have seen some things that would shock you about the quality of some of the BIG name brand models. Orkut drivers = oem drivers. With respect to backspin the numbers are incredibly close. They have a 6 iron length. I have more confidence standing over my X-Hot and enjoy owning them without having to hide the label X-heat. I have the t7 which is the R7 clone. Hes a Cinderella story. He mentioned they also had design input on the Pinhawk heads too. It does however cost money to get started in golf. I started playing golf 4 years ago, immediately began keeping.g an hcap and I was around a 20. Pin hawks are much more cost effective in my opinion for testing so I will most likely go that route. Reshafting These services usually take 5 to 7 days, as we have to order the shafts. All those statements do is hurt the component biz. Do you not find all of those cases wrong, frustrating, and near impossible to prove? What I do believe is a reasonable conclusion based on the totality of the numbers is that there is not a significant performance difference between the TaylorMade Tour Burner, and the Heated clone. I must take exception to the consideration being given Clones. As for the rest of the components that go into the club, some of the companies give you a choice of components. We were one of the first companies to import from China. Of course, golf clubs are about more than performance. Results I got tell me Im sticking with what I have for now. Its your money to spend where you chose I just found better places to spend it. Id love to see MGS compare irons. I started getting their catalogs in the 80's and buying from them. Its not. The top-tier which has a larger capacity and better quality makes the top brand names. I think I am going to get some components and try building an over length set. MyGolfSpy, INC. All rights reserved. E.M. Just because something in a Chinese factory was allowed to happen, does not make it right. It is your decision and right (for the time being) to buy a Clone/Knock-Off. I was disappointed, but it lead me to all my other purchases, which in turn allowed me to develop the same conclusion that MGS showcased here. The right shaft for the player is far more important IMO. An excerpt from Pssst . Lasers are used to copy the exterior of high selling clubs; again, there is no internal accuracy, nor the same construction, material or quality. A former assistant groundskeeper about to become the Masters champion. How many of us have purchased the latest whoopie doo driver to find no difference in handicap. OK, dianond tours own shaft in smoke is just gorgous,and cheap,(deep smoke,or gold) DTs heads, and winn grips. which are probably built to higher and tighter specifications than are branded merchandise. If your shooting 92 at your home course with a set of Pings you can shoot a 92 with clones. In the case of the Burner Tour vs. Given its what youre actually swinging. Web$189.80 (6 used & new offers) MAZEL Single Length Golf Club Irons Set for Men & Women (4,5,6,7,8,9,P,A,S) or Individual Iron 7,Left/Right Handed,37.5 Inch 489 $29900 FREE It also amazes me that anyone can play summer league baseball with a beat up mitt and an older bat, or a game of school yard basketball with an old ball and still have a lot of fun, but with golf people are made to feel they have to keep up with not just technology, but the Joness as well. But one youve never seen put through a test like we will today . The point of his article, as with any good marketing person, the tolerances of his product offerings were much tighter than the competition. Do not know how close they are to spec or how they rate to the other good non OEMs. First let me say that I am 88 years old and have been playing Hireko golf clubs, particularly their THRIVER for 8 years. Im tired of spending more on bags than I do on clubs! This allows the golfer to use the same swing, on the same plane, with the same feel, for each iron in the set. The deal is, my bag cost what some people pay for a set of irons. So while, technically you may not be buying and thereby promoting counterfeit clubs, you are in fact enabling those same facilities to continue by buying Clones/Knock-Offs. Pinemeadows offers a lower end shaft as their standard, but you can upgrade too. Dont believe all this nonsense you have heard or read and then presented as factola! Re-shafted mine with Axe Xcaliber SL graphite. I certainly believe there is little difference in shot results from an overall performance. Two of our testers hit the Heated first, while the 3rd hit the Burner first. Unless its done in jestof course. (E.M. Once the epoxy dried, shafts were cut to a relatively modest 44.75 inches. $229.99. Do the clubs from Hireko stand up to Maltby? No one knows how sloppy things are manufactured unless you are right watching and know what you are watching for. Below is a lengthy paper that I previously wrote on the subject. You might also find it surprising that these clone designs are often approved by the name brand manufacturers before they are released. Thanks guys, have fun. Some, like Frank Thomas (former USGA Tech. Branded products are made with higher quality control, but mistakes still happen even with tighter controls, just not nearly as often. WebGigaGolf Custom Golf Clubs FREE STAND BAG with $500 custom Learn More a GIGAGOLF EXPERT for club fitting assistance or to place an order by phone (M-F) 8 to 5 est Learn More Play better golf with custom clubs fit WebGOLFDOM is THE Golfer's Store, complete with everything our customers need for on AND off the course. A PGA Professional will give a lesson to anyone, but ask them if a Clone/Knock-Off club is a good choice and see what type of answer you will get. I am searching for a component head company to do business with and could use some help. Choose from complete sets, individual clubs still undecided on shaft. Go to eBay, or Diamond Tour. Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. You cannot paste images directly. My son is custom club maker and said that his best selling iron head. I have bought a couple drivers from Pinemeadows that happened to be on sale just to tinker with and try them out. The one reason that the numbers have diminished is simply because there are less clone companies in existence compared to 5-8 years ago. No matter what your skill level, you want to play better golf. Thank you. Golfworks (Malby) and Wishon Golf (Tom Wishon) are two of the best. As for the clone argument, are those on the side of the big manufacturers going to stay on their side if we take this argument to off brand manufacturers who design and make some very good clubs but dont have the budget to promote like the giants? For me, I purchase OEM then if anything goes wrong I have a legitimate beef with the supplier. Even the raw materials received were sometimes out of tolerance. One doesnt have to be an Attorney to read or be educated on the law. On performance alone, its hard for me to justify spending the extra $200 (based on initial MSRP pricing). 3 golfers were asked to hit a series of 12 shots with each driver. SWIFT) I need cheap clubs and their just as good. We have every type of club you can imagine. While all the content of what you said may be correct there is more to clone/knockoff/etc. SWIFT) I have a set of irons by Affinity. I submit that much is misguided and misinformed. I dont play clones because I cant afford the name brands. Instead our goal was simply to determine whether or not a no-name clone could outperform a driver from one of the biggest names in golf. I mostly buy OEM equipment, but I have bought components. As many manufacturers of goods will attest, conducting site visits and monitoring factories in China, is a difficult and costly task. Yes, I know this is a 2011 article. SEARCH ALL Used GOLF CLUBS FROM ALL BRANDS. I do proudly carry 3 PW Maltby MMBs (forged blades) with Project X shafts, custom fit to my length. I had back surgery with only partical success and will be playing limited golf so I would like to buy a good quality ( as close to OEM as possible) non OEM set of irons and have them custom fit. From tee to green and everything in-between, Hireko offers a wide array of golf clubs for players of all ages and abilities. I had them custom fitted senior flex shafts. Lets not forget the Titleist Speeder shaft which is a Graffalloy Pro Custom, ($20) shaft or Calloways sourcing their shafts from several manufactures with only the barest of specs. Those factories not only produce clones and counterfeits they also produce for OEMs (I know this because I happen to know a guy in one of these factories), All big OEMs admit having their heads and some shafts manufactured in China. But not the component club heads. Counterfeit Clubs and Clone Clubs, the operators who sell and produce, contribute to higher prices of the legitimate brands. (circa 2013)https://mygolfspy.com/ultimate-review-acer-xs-driver/. For actual testing we used the same protocols we use for our ULTIMATE Reviews. So, of all the clubs Ive ever owned, one club was .7g past tolerance. While there may have been a foundry that produced both OEM and Clone, it isnt a general rule, as OEMs have strict contracts with the foundries they use, that prevents the practice. Great story Of course, this is my individual experience. I have been hitting fitted Giga Golf TRX slot irons. Truth isclones are good for people that just cannot afford a Major brand and/or a custom set! Upload or insert images from URL. Oneday 8 years ago I saw an add from Hireko for their THRIVER. Sorry the average golfer is not able to drop $3-400 for a driver or fairway wood. 2nd Swing offers the largest selection of Most golfers lump OEM Components in with clones even though these companies do their own R&D and have no intention of copying other companies. YOUR DIRECT QUOTE: Your previous content has been restored. I called Hireko and spoke to the guy who makes the videos (tech line). He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in I suppose it may have been clever to put that in my first post. Couldnt make up my mind as to which one I liked best. And the 3rd tier generally have the smallest capacity and make some of the lower end quality equipment and clones you run across. You can also get many/most of their components from Value Golf (I'm not affiliated, other than as a customer). Of course, that has to be with an * because of of all the stuff I mentioned earlier. Discover more about the small businesses partnering with Amazon and Amazons commitment to empowering them. Taylormade bought out Adams. Please read closer. . Having been in manufacturing all my life and seen what quality can and cannot be, I wonder about the quality of all clubs today. as far as I know, Bang Golf has their own designs as well. Clone equipment is within the patent and trademark limits and for the reputable companies selling clones is 100% legal. All of the testers agreed that in terms of sound and feel, the clone is miles behind the real deal. Learn more about Tim. I give them 5 stars. Im glad the rental only cost me $15.00 any more and I would have been upset at myself renting them. With a higher quality manufacturing process the clone design might actually work. Clones fall within legal guidelines and do not have the same name, markings or overall design. Why else would a top tier golf ball cost up to $5 maybe advertising and exorbitant overheads? To say that a consumer has no responsibility is, well sad. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); I have been hitting a clone set of irons since 2008. Theyre still something to consider, its just they dont get the play on Tour or heavy ad-machines compelling people to buy their stuff. If we simply look at the raw averages we see that the Clone was actually more accurate! In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. But I think it would surprise most to know that only by 5.8 yards (2.2%). Accuracy When it comes to accuracy the results are less cut and dry. No Reps. No Service. On 5/20/2020 at 10:38 PM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 9:08 AM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 10:48 AM, Guest Delete said: ltby?" Think Maltby has brand recognition as they have been around much longer and Ralph Maltby club making/repair/fitting schools are well established. They just cannot afford it! I think what is more interesting is that you missed the fact that I stated in the sentence those companies are both clone and component makers: DIRECT QUOTE: Powered by Invision Community. Construction, Material, or Quality. between OEMs (i.e., TM, Callaway, Mizuno, etc.) So, they go in that direction. It doesnt cost that much more to purchase legitimate past year models. Gap distance is very good and the strong lofts assist length in the 5, 6, 7 irons. Anyway shot an 83 at a course I never played on with clubs I never swung before. A lot of people eventually got in trouble for it too. I have seen a few really bad Adams, Callaway, Cobra, Nike, and Ping clubs. I am now ordering today,shafts, grips and epoxy plus a three wood rescue club from them. GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S He talks about it in a 3 piece article on his site that's pretty dense w data and analysis (if that's your thing). But the same thing has already happened in electronics, computers and even automobiles. They were almost new and i could tell they had only been used a handful of times. He fits everyone from Beginners to PGA Professionals and has worked alongside Legendary club makers such as Bob Vokey and Roger Cleveland. Ive been eyeing the Dynacrafts, and drooling over the KZGs. As with our test of the Shotmaker, shafts were spined and FLOd. Callaway threatened to sue Kent Graphtec over its Big Bursar driver, alleging patent, trademark and trade dress (trademark-design) infringement. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. Dave Tutelman preferred pinhawk heads over other single lengths due to their matching of his "progressive gapping" preference. Not driven only by what is legal, but what is right. . I actually built some Wishon/Sterlings (single length collaboration between Tom Wishon/Jacob Bowden) at multiple lengths (i.e. Restore formatting, Most companies are trying to get it right with their stock shafts. So I just bought a real Titleist driver. In fact, I cracked the club face on one of them within 6 outings. It looks like a mirac Its in the hole! Material used is cheaper. The Cobra clone had the unique Cobra hosel and the Taylor clone heads were painted brown and the shaft were brown and black. Go back to the drawing board and get a fair representation of the better quality heads and their nearest OEM head. . I bought it and it was perfect. I no longer build drivers or sets, because I was checking iron set I received and the individual weights varied as much as 12 -15 grams which can be huge. In the end, it is hard to figure out the quality of a specific model of golf club without using it for a significant amount of time on the course after buying it. I have the Dynacraft CNC forged wedge that's currently for sale on Hireko's site. Might as well play with a half set. Regripping We offer all of the grips offered by Golf Pride, Lamkin, Winn, and Super Stroke. The real issue is what so called reputable companies charge for their equipment. Are shafts or heads manufactured to a large (+-) tolerance with the (-) tolerance being the norm or are the parts manufactured to close tolerances? Having never played before i cant say too much but my mates whove played for years were impressed after trying them out. . Are there bad clonesYES. A lot of research goes into the wood and as Frank Thomas once said, a 3 yr old Wood is obsolete with the technology of today. Research is provided by credible journalist who have been there, the FTC, and the U.S. 2h or 3h: TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S -or- RIP Alpha 105 S They perform just as well as my old Pings for a fraction of the cost. Whether you are just getting into the game or the seasoned vet trying to score a great deal, we have it. The uninformed, the newbie, the consumer who is jealous of the success of OEMs and their need to earn profits. Cant help but weigh in here. No one knows what they are. Our team of expert fitters fits more than 500 delighted customers a year!Our staff of skilled club fitters is passionate about providing the highest level of customer service. Price and materials/construction dont necessarily mean everything in my experience. If a manufacturer doubled his price on his highest priced clubs (lets call them X) making no other change except price (lets call the inflated priced clubs Y) and taged the Y clubs ultra sales would probably increase for both clubs, some wanting the very best because theyre priced higher, and some saying This club looks just as good and I can buy it for half the price of the other! The mental human factor.
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