It was a good church. that may have been intended for someone else. Wilkerson believed the denominations criteria created unnecessary obstacles to those he was training to be pastors. My point was that it is wrong to condemn the entire Pentecostal and Charismatic Movement just because if some bad apples in it. I left and I follow Torah. There were also affiliations of my pastor and church with people and ministries associated with the New Apostolic Reformation and their not so sound doctrine and their putting experiences and feelings above scripture (such as grave soaking, fire tunnels, gold dust and angel feathers falling from the ceilings). I still had close friends in the church. If things are that bad at that Church I would encourage you to leave and seek a Church that preaches the Word. In that same chapter it warns about false prophets and that you will recognize them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20) and goes on to mention that these false prophets will be disappointed on the last day when Jesus turns to them and says I never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23). Get it and READ IT! The surest route is sola scriptura. Now, I am back in a Pentecostal type church. Like me, I am sure you have seen excesses in church and the challenge is, well, to challenge those excesses. all these people saying God told them this and that. I was very hurt that someone deceived me and tagged Gods name to it. same thing multiple times, that was also a sign of failure. 1. So weve moved on from casting the proverbial boulders onto all things Pentecostal to the SDA now have we? JavaScript is disabled. I was living in perpetual sin and stuck in a cycle. The holidays and false beliefs, & man made traditions. Webwe should all care about the existence of objective, absolute truth because it fits logically with reality. I feel fortunate that every teaching from the pulpit, and Sabbath school, was straight from the bible and cross referencing scriptures according to the lesson we were studying. I believe it was a culmination of things that brought me to truth. Going to church every sunday, praise and worship, listen to a scripture and go home again. He was never the same physically after having a living encounter with Christ! WebLeaving an unhealthy church. No one tried to shame me into staying. I believe God can heal if you pray and He wills it. You are using an out of date browser. It's addictive. But even though He rebuked them, He recognized those in those Churches that where doing the right thing. Turned away from the Torah(instructions), laws and commandments and have become pagan with all Obvious lie according to scripture. While this was not the only reason that I left the Indian Pentecostal church, it was one of the biggest reasons. I grew up mainly in the Presbyterian church (with my mom) and occasionally attended the Pentecostal church (with my dad during his visitation). I have been raised a Seventh Day Adventist all of my life. Towards the end with all the prophetic words it was nothing but confusion. The left hates the gratitude, which the Church teaches the poor must have toward those who help them. They are apostate seeking for signs and wonders while using the Bible as a supplemental teaching which is why you are seeing so much error. Youre right when you say music has become more influential than Gods word. That is not what God meant at all about abundance. You can find it at https://www.gty.org/Resources/strangefire/messages, Yes, I watched it. Holiness has anointed preachers. Why are we putting a title and saying sr. joanne, br. They belonged to eachother for the mere fact that they follow christ nothing else just that. I just so happen to read this from Acts 20, today: missing it so I could "fix" whatever it was and live in His blessing again. There are wonderful people on this newsfeed. I have only been out 9 months and I still feel anger. You were right for leaving as Matthew 7:13,14 shows that few are finding the cramped road leading to everlasting life. God help us and anoint us with His Holy Spirit to make a difference for the Kingdom and in this world. The law, as Colossians 2:14-16, is gonenailed to the cross. I read news papers from which the Lord calls me to pray, I hear people talk and get involved in chats. Talking correctly was The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in. It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it linesup with doctrine. Cry out to Jesus and repent for He is a God of restoration and will be a present help in your time of need. Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, Is that even biblical? then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). Neither do I. I feel I made that clear in the conclusion. just "speaking in faith." I Corinthians 7:10 did not count because 1 Corinthians 7:11 is a clause just in case 1 Corinthians 7:10 doesnt work out is what she told me. Karen Wheaton later corrected Judy Jacobs request but it troubled me that a minister was that out of touch with God to request something so materialist, my body got hot with anger. we certainly dont dance at worship songs, and arnt forced to be made to feel guilty about handing over any money, we also have audit meeting s to say were all the money has been spent. I stated that my contention is with churches or denominations that place external manifestations ABOVE Gods word. I love Justin peters and John MacArthur It really helped me. The reason I left was because my about leaving again. Because you said I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view. Yes Mark, I have heard and seen crazy stuff in the Church since I became a Christian as a kid. It will be in Bangkok mid January and it would be good if we could meet to discuss future placements in Thailand. When I say false teaching I mean heresy, not non essential doctrines which have no bearing on salvation. It was prophesied that I was going to get promoted at that job and certain things would happen that never did. WebMerely being a member of the Society for Pentecostal Studies often brings a Pentecostal scholars commitment to the movement into question. Rejoice always! Thank you we are all finding each other I believe because the Holy Spirit You do not have the authority to do so. I thank God for those who prayed me out of my oblivion, and I begun to seek God myself. And Paul said that's not even the best gift. I was raised Baptist, but I've had a few family members change from Baptist to Apostolic. Also, I pray for discernment of those I meet. The hairstylist gave a bad experience therefore ALL hairstylist are bad. because I had done some pretty stupid things in my time. I began to see what seemed like little miracles every day. Mark, yes, some of the Sola Scriptura folk are Calvinist and/or Cessationists. I simplify, of course. Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. diagnose my spiritual shortcomings. I promised to get plugged in to a church with similar beliefs in my new town. Im certain at one point I was pursuing God but it became an idol itself. In these emotional services People are spinning and dancing and that must mean we really have the spirit, right? There we started studying scripture but the practice was the same as my previous church. This I never knew about before. And shame on them for not doing so. I am having my own issues with church. I dont trust a person who loves or likes dominos pizza. this is why many have lost their way. It was top notch. I got over 1000 shares on fb alone even though I only got a few likes, so you truly never know who needs to hear it. Only by Gods grace, strength and help have I made it thus far. Care for them. The pressure Should Christians live the gospel? God is an illusion and so is this. Another concern is that church leaders, to my knowledge, does not call on members to find answers in Gods Word, the preacher state something as a fact and thats the end of it. just as important (or perhaps even more important) than believing correctly. We learned then that most churches were going further and further from Gods written word. Pentecost is biblical and the things practised in charasmatic/pentecostal churches are find in the bible. I realized that just because it was a Protestant church didnt make it scriptural The pastor was awful, preached more from Robt Schneller than scripture and when my husband and I questioned some of his so called God is leading our church this way ( as in going to yung ghi chos church in Korea to learn how to pray) cell groups, (communism) Like I said earlier, its not the movement but deceived Christians or false teachers creeping into the Church. hated. They are sweet young families in this little church, precious young ones who love Jesus. Maybe what I had grown to love It was an awkward departure. The movement has morphed into something unrecognizable from what it was years ago. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Guilt would eat him up and he would go almost suicidal. If I told my staff to obey me or a curse would come upon them yet the church operates differently. Thankyou to those who put Jesus first and do the job the Lord has called them to! Usually they are put on the back burner or ignored altogether. I wanted to experience the supernatural aspects that the charismatic / Pentecostal movement was known Wants us to. I was hearing 20 years ago how special MY generation was. I would also like to add, its important that we extend grace, love and mercy to those within the church that we are walking away from. I began to wonder if the things I had loved about my previous church were inextricably connected to the things that I Get into His Word. Hi Dave, I found when I left the traditional church, i did not immediately join another church. I did my best to leave honorably and correctly, but it didn't matter. He wasn't just something I talked about anymore. Judgement and wrath can be expected to anyone who teaches another gospel. He did not condemn the WHOLE Church because of the error if some. Light Skinned Women Are Like A Drug To Me. I was prophesied over several times and the hope of what was said never came to fruition. I pleaded with God to show me where I was So that is why I'm going to recommend some reading that will surely help you in your quest to find your faith again. MacArthurs cessationism is not fueled by his reformed views. An encounter with the living God would probably leave you with a limp. I was going to hell for everything. ways to leave my church: in a conflict or in a coffin. very sad. pretty big life decisions -- where to work, where to live -- because those decisions would make it Some very specific "prophetic words" were simply forgotten or ignored without commentary when I never fit in when I tried to be super spiritual and faked most of the time. Sorry you had bad experiences in Pentecostal circles. They are missionaries with one purpose and that is to show and share the love of Christ to the military troops around the world. I am not alone! about asking for money -- and there were definite echoes of prosperity teaching involved -- but they didn't hunt you I cannot help what others do, I can only help what I do and I do not want ANYTHING coming in between me and Christ. It was a warm fuzzy experience for the sake of Pray continually! He is my all in all! church was all that mattered. If I do feel like the Lord can speak to our heart but it must line up with the word clearly very clearlyfor me to assume that it is from God. She is in deep and after a year I dont even know where she lives. Its really difficult for me to be around the churchy showboating atmosphere. That is why we need to be careful and use discernment and not throw the baby with the bathwater. It constantly breaks my heart to see the hunger for God in peoples eyes, and know they are not getting fed and led to Him: the humanistic messages that encourage people to do their best, instead of helping them to see that without Christ we can do nothing that pleases Him; that we are dead to the old life and we live the new life by Christ in us as new creations with transformed minds and joyful hearts. (That alone took months) Im still very much in the process of healing. 1. There is a lot of things I can say about the false teaching of Calvinism and the murderous acts of John Calvin. There I have so many friends lost in these same easily disproveable liesif only they would pick up a Bible and study it for themselves. down if you didn't give for a week or two. You learn to keep your opposing views to yourself. If it wasnt for the love of God and commitment to Christ I would have stopped Church altogether. In fact, we will all stand before God and give an account for our words and actions. Paul wrote to all the believers in one town. would be enough and I should never have expected it to be enough. I even quoted the Bible in my original comment. Miracles. to try to direct the personal lives of the congregation. I was ready to defend my leaders even when I disagreed with what they did. so much back there wasn't God at all. Chorus: On Christ the Solid Rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand all other ground is sinking sand.. The He said prophecy was. liar. I feel John MacArthurs point of view is more biblically accurate and very on point about this movement. Though I disagreed in areas, I understood what they were saying. That is kind of how I ended up at this church after leaving the Catholic church (with my dads old group from when I was a kid-same group that left the original church to the one we are at now). John etc. The folks who really needed healing the most--the cancer patients, He knows best, He knows where He wants to use you. Faith was "calling those things Unlike the Pentecostal church my dad took me to, my church doesnt say what we should wear or if we should not cut our hair. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. Northern Ireland I left at 1.30am when the meeting was still going on. As stated in previous posts, I believe that God speaks but if you have a word it better not go against His Word. God can speak to us by the Holy Spirit, guide and lead us into what He wants us to know or show us what to do or where we need to be. I found myself caught in a terrible situation. In that moment I said God Im singing these words to you but I dont mean it; help me to mean it And he did. Then, we will once again be RELEVANT in this lost and dying world. My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. They used drama and technology and For example some people get bent out of shape if you believe in a pretrib rapture and think you ate a heretic. Thank you for sharing this. I still attend Baptist and non denomination churches(my mothers side of the family are All Jesus wants of us is to walk with Him, to grow in the joy and realisation of His amazing love for us, and then we will obey because of our relationship with Him and He actually gives us the ability and desire to do it . As you know YHWH God is a covenant God. Thats why it is so important to share our stories. I've heard your story from others though. Everyone has ideas, come from different backgrounds and have varying levels of faith. They make a big deal out of tongues. 31 So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My disciples. So after I quit a good job where I had it all going for me, my life started to fall apart. Whilst I agree there are too many excesses in the Charismatic movement, I dont subscribe to cessationist views. Just wondering. Im fully awake. Why I left the Pentecostal Church Patricia Figueroa 1.32K subscribers Subscribe 574 Share 40K views 4 years ago In this video, I talk about the reasons why i If you believe otherwise that is your prerogative. I recently left my church when there were some things creeping in..not spoken straight from the pulpitbut guest speakers and new ideas being implemented. I am fairly new at all this and since attending I have been better able to handle my difficult relationships by showing mercy. Today the seeking of Gods Presence, a word, a special anointing, has been replaced by rightly knowing Gods word and simply obeying it. A rare mix these days behind the pulpit. Somenot all. healthy, then the inescapable conclusion is that you must be doing something wrong. On Former Catholics & Why They Left the Church. This broke me and I decided to start living again too. Its like saying Dr. A church gathering should be about connecting with God and learning more about Him both through the Scriptures and through seeing and hearing what He is doing in the lives of others who are living a life of faith in Him. a call to action. I got shoved out of the way by burly prayer ushers who were sullen and rude. Generation X marks the spot was the trending evangelical phrase in those days. Nothing I could ever do It discerns the intentions of the heart. This thus saith the Lord stuff has hurt a lot of people. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Maybe next time I would get it right. But I just wanted to clarify things at least in my own understanding. Also grew up in church but i always thought to myself there must be more than this. Hi, Im Lazarus Chetty, from Cape Town, South Africa. Take the fish and spit out the bones. However truth be told, Gods inspired, holy word really does satisfy a thirsty soul. I think of St Pauls writings about spiritual milk and solid food. Amen to that, Michael. Regardless of what the world throws at us, and how many times we fail Him, He must be our focus and the centre of our desire both in the gatherings of the church and in our lives in the community. WebWhy I am no longer a Pentecostal There were no miracles, no power, no gifts, no healings, nothing but the theatrical antics and delusions of men. The Pentecostal movement spread to Sweden by 1907 from the 19041905 Welsh Revival and the Azusa Street Revival in sin in your life. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here lol. So here I was and all that I had believed in was gone. I just left the same ungodly situation three weeks ago, so I praise God that you did also. So if I seem dogmatic (or catmatic) on what I believe, not trying to be harsh or rude, just sure in what I believe. They reminded me of all the mistakes I had made during my time at the church and they didn't have to exaggerate, not nearly as smart or skilled or spiritual or useful as I thought I was, that I would never find another church like He abandoned his wife and 2 kids to be with her. If all forsake Christ what are you going to do? Its not an apostasy in toto. Its strong delusion and it will only become MORE apostate and MORE evident. If you didn't feel anything, someone would be ABBA FATHER has led me back to HIS COMPLETE WORD. . You need both. This tragic epidemic in church that makes superstars out of ministers and puts in the hearts of young people that having a platform and being a worship leader is the pinnacle ofholiness;it is a sickness andcompletelybiblical. You must log in or register to reply here. It was obvious. A great resource is Justin Peters teachings on YouTube and the Strange Fire conference. I then moved to a new church called good news community church wanting to make a change. Of course now I am a sinner.I failed because God wasnt enough. Acts 20:29-32 KJV When you are in a group think bubble you really cannot see other perspectives at all. I have come to realize it was like living in a bomb shelter cut off from society. my life with enough faith to pray for my healing. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God. When I hear that hyped up exegesis Gospel now I can easily discern that it is not biblical and it simply does not line up with scripture. always meetings and programs -- yet was difficult to build relationships. This is the link, http://www.takeheed.info/index-for-assorted-articles/charismatic-type-issues/, Cecil Andrews It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles. Many will come out and when they do; they will find us waiting here with answers. We will then undergo true REVIVAL, not some emotional gimmick. Were sinners and flawed human beings just as all Protestants and Orthodox are. I received a letter from a man who was raised as a Catholic in the 1960s and who stated that the Catholic Church If you were Pentecostal at one time in your life, why did you leave it? I am wondering about some of this relating to my own journey, and Im just wondering, did you stop attending church of any kind? Youre Blocking Your Blessings. Do you all really believe this? We are to be lead by the Spirit who is our Counselor,(Helper) Spirit of all Truth, such as in John 14. Praise God for His mercy and grace!. Its a worldwide organization that is truly united and there is nothing else like it in the world. Why claim that there is some light in darkness when we know better. This only means something to people old enough to remember the time before digital cameras, when you took a roll of film and had to have it developed into photographs. My theology is Classic Pentecostal (AOG) which holds to the Essential Teachings of the Historic Christian Faith. It does not state that if you dont speak in tongues you are going to hell. Unfortunately, anything that has truth will be counterfeited and corrupted witness the first century church. Thus, there is no longer a need nor cause for any words from God because he has said all he needs to say in the bible. When the Word and the Holy Spirit are manifested in a service, keep this in mind: true preaching will always exalt Christ and His teaching (Jn5:39) and, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit will always point to Jesus (Jn16:13,14). The charismatic movement of the past quarter-century has made an impact on the church unparalleled in history. I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship. questionable to me. 5:21: But examine everything carefully, hold fast to what is good. We have decided to leave our current church as it has too many ties to Bethel, Sozo, & other things that do not pass the above litmus test. Just the one that suits will do me. As my husband and I have grown in sound doctrine over the years a true love for teaching Gods precious word has emerged. That's why the people outside where amazed that they were hearing the gospel in THEIR own language. I was so wounded, mistrusting, broken and broke. Meet Murphy the broody eagle, who tried to hatch a rock and then miraculously became a dad! The Holy Spirit was not given so we could have spiritual encounters(which never build up the spiritual man) and command him like a genie, by demanding, decreeing, commanding anything, as if He is underneath us! My biggest concern is that christians can quote writers or preachers better than Gods Word why? There was something happening literally every night of the week. Back then he was called a heretic today he would be condemned for touching the Lords anointed. The apathy of believers is truly astonishing as I watch wolves overtake the churches. Some who leave dont go to It looked like a safe place to go. WebThe Swedish Pentecostal Movement (Swedish: Pingstrrelsen i Sverige) is a Pentecostal movement in Sweden. Im so sorry to hear about your experience. I pray the Lord will open many eyes within the pentecostal movement to rightly see his precious truth which does indeed bring liberty and true freedom. My heart really goes out to the wounded. You may email me on lazchetty@gmail.com. There is an hour of worship, people are prayed over after the service, healed, (maybe?) Romans 3:20-22 KJV In the evenings I attend a CofE church. We are sinful, arrogant and yes, full of pride. What about Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus? Hebrews 4:12. Take time to heal and be kind to yourself. This is extremely important for young children. Ihave a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. It is so important that we know the scriptures and keep those scriptures in context so we can discern what is truth and what is not . Been theredone thatrejoicing that your eyes have been opened to His Truth! I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it isdizzying. I left for a more orthodox teaching. As time went on though, I began to question the Pentecostal belief system a little bit by little bit. ADOS). Still, what is spoken must not go against the Scripture otherwise it is not of God. There are also a lot of hurting Christians and wounded Pastors that need restoration. I have been invited to a park this Sunday for fellowship with other believers so Im more interested in grass root movements and genuine fellowship rather than pseudo-relationships once/twice a week. . Webwhy are pentecostals so mean. http://bible.com/1/rom.3.20-22.kjv, Galatians 2: Web1. Yeah, I find that statement overused and an oversimplification of the real issues. I would prefer a greater emphasis on the FRUIT of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) as evidence of a follower of Jesus than an emphasis on the gifts of the Spirit. For me, Jesus is my King! People saved, people healed, marriages restored etc etc. Ive been a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry. More and more of what were called miracles just started to seem fake. Bless you as you too continue to seek His face! 'My principal concern,' writes John MacArthur, 'is to call the church to a firm commitment to the purity and authority of the Scriptures, and thereby to strengthen the unity of the true church.' Pentecostal and charismatic without many of the abuses that often come with it.
